Sue Gray has been called a 'mystery'. (Image: Getty)
A candid admission made by Sue Gray has been revealed in an unearthed interview as “fireworks” brew in a No 10 row.
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The Downing Street chief of staff and former civil servant gave an interview to BBC Northern Ireland’s Gareth Gordon in 2021 where she was called a “mystery” due to her many jobs over the years.
Gordon referred to some of the things she has been called over the years such as “deputy God”, “the most powerful civil servant you’ve never heard of” and “the most powerful woman in Britain”.
“They obviously relate to my former job,” Gray said as she went through the list. “I was deputy for Gus O’Donnell and his initials are GOD. The second, I was just doing my job, journalists devised [those names].”
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Gordon also questioned whether she had the power to “make or break political careers” as some said.
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As rumours swirl of Downing Street fireworks involving the Prime Minister’s Chief of Staff Sue Gray, we’ve found a rare television interview she gave to BBC Northern Ireland’s Gareth Gordon in 2021: #newsnight pic.twitter.com/3tRuKQGDYl
— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) August 16, 2024
She replied candidly that people saw her as “too much of a challenger” but was unapologetic about that, saying “I am”.
Gray said: “I would always have just given my advice to the PM and it was always the PM’s decision. The job I was doing then is very different to the job I do now and I don’t necessarily recognise all that you’re saying about me.
“I suspect people may have thought that I am perhaps too much of a challenger or a disruptor, I am both. And that I bring about…or that there would be too much change, and yes I wanted to change.”
This comes after “fireworks” in Whitehall with reports of the PM’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, and Labour’s election strategy head, Morgan McSweeney, butting heads.
According to the Guardian, it had been assumed that the division of labour would be clear, with Gray on operational delivery and McSweeney on politics. But after the election, gossip began of a power struggle in No 10.
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A source claimed: “Morgan’s desk will be outside the No 10 study and he will be in and out of Keir’s office more than Sue. But look out for the fireworks.”
A week later, it was reported that Gray had moved McSweeney’s desk further away from the PM’s office twice and that Simon Case, the cabinet secretary, refused Gray’s request for McSweeney to be denied access to a secure IT system.
Whitehall sources say Gray’s “centralisation” of government has left some Labour advisers frustrated and concerned.
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They added that the reshuffle “taking so long was a problem” and that was down to Gray micromanaging personnel, having to sign off who was getting every job and which special advisers would be appointed.
Another government Labour source noted that while Gray was “good at what she does”, and “extremely likeable”, the current position was untenable.
“She’s worse than [former Boris Johnson adviser Dominic] Cummings but gets a free pass because she’s so kind and personable, while he was horrible and disliked by pretty much everyone.”